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Blue Wizard Quests

  • For most people who have only watched the movie, but not read the book, you might be unaware of the existence of the Blue Wizards, who were Istari, just like Gandalf, sent to Middle Earth, but went to the East of Middle Earth.

    Well, I felt that with the Major Quests said to be planned, I was thinking of a Major Side Quest involving these Blue Wizards. I felt that the Major Quests, if it were following the story of the book, might miss out the Land of the Easterlings and Harad (unless Mevans somehow blows us away again), while I havent thought of anything for Harad), I think these Blue Wizards and their quests could be a feature to bring questing to Rhun.

    While lorewise, not much has been said about these Blue Wizards, I assume that they were also helping to prevent Sauron's rise, in Rhun somehow, and I am also unsure of how these Major Quests are planned to be implemented, whether it is like Mevan's other mod, the Lion King mod, or some other way entirely, I think the Blue Wizards could be implemented the same way as Gandalf and the other Quests, with rewards like Blue Wizard Robes, or their Staff, and the quests could be sabotaging Easterlings or killing some of them, kind of depends on what the Major Quests will be like.

    So, what do you think? Should the Blue Wizards be added? If they should, should they give quests? Is this lore-friendly (it might not be, I havent read the book in a loooong time, this is from my memory)? Leave your thoughts below (critism welcome)! :)

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    • The Blue Wizards traveled north, before both being killed in an orc ambush. Though, considering how Tolkien likes to say stuff like, "Gimili MAY have gone with Legolas to Valinor..." It might be another of Tolkien's myths. And only the other Istari really new what happened. So it wouldn't really fit, Lore wise, but I feel though that maybe you can find a quest by a historian, to head to some cords and find 'A blue stick', and then you bring it back to him, and he'll tell you what is was, and give you lots of coins. That's my idea on the subject.

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    • HorseLordOfRohan wrote: The Blue Wizards traveled north, before both being killed in an orc ambush. Though, considering how Tolkien likes to say stuff like, "Gimili MAY have gone with Legolas to Valinor..." It might be another of Tolkien's myths. And only the other Istari really new what happened. So it wouldn't really fit, Lore wise, but I feel though that maybe you can find a quest by a historian, to head to some cords and find 'A blue stick', and then you bring it back to him, and he'll tell you what is was, and give you lots of coins. That's my idea on the subject.

      Wait, which book is this in? I don't really remember this...

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    • I feel it's not really meaningful to speculate on this as long as the mod team hasn't published their lore on the east yet, including the fate of the Ithryn Luin. In case you wish to read more on this, check out my interpretation and source I used for my character at the Second Age Server, where I found reason to make them part of the play.

      In my view, this suggestion is highly premature and insufficienlty concrete. I will move this to the General Discussion Board to ensure your initiative is not wasted and gets some more feedback.

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    • 14.100.136.186 wrote: Wait, which book is this in? I don't really remember this...

      It's not in one of the LotR books, it's in the notes Tolkien had, and I think in a few other books.

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    • Uhh, Tolkien said the Blue Wizards were vital in the War of the Ring because of their Free Easterlings.

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    • That is entirely factually false, HorseLord.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 13:44, May 14, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Well, that's just what I heard, my bad. ):

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    • MrHobit1234 wrote:
      Uhh, Tolkien said the Blue Wizards were vital in the War of the Ring because of their Free Easterlings.

      .... citation? 

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    • One of his letters, I can't recall.

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    • I did quite a bit of research on the blue wizards as i played Pallando on one server. They went into the East and were then relatively unheard of. They did play a large part in the war though as MrHobbit said. Perhaps making their quests as a journey from the West Coast to the East coast?

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    • 14.100.136.186 wrote: For most people who have only watched the movie, but not read the book, you might be unaware of the existence of the Blue Wizards, who were Istari, just like Gandalf, sent to Middle Earth, but went to the East of Middle Earth.

      Well, I felt that with the Major Quests said to be planned, I was thinking of a Major Side Quest involving these Blue Wizards. I felt that the Major Quests, if it were following the story of the book, might miss out the Land of the Easterlings and Harad (unless Mevans somehow blows us away again), while I havent thought of anything for Harad), I think these Blue Wizards and their quests could be a feature to bring questing to Rhun.

      While lorewise, not much has been said about these Blue Wizards, I assume that they were also helping to prevent Sauron's rise, in Rhun somehow, and I am also unsure of how these Major Quests are planned to be implemented, whether it is like Mevan's other mod, the Lion King mod, or some other way entirely, I think the Blue Wizards could be implemented the same way as Gandalf and the other Quests, with rewards like Blue Wizard Robes, or their Staff, and the quests could be sabotaging Easterlings or killing some of them, kind of depends on what the Major Quests will be like.

      So, what do you think? Should the Blue Wizards be added? If they should, should they give quests? Is this lore-friendly (it might not be, I havent read the book in a loooong time, this is from my memory)? Leave your thoughts below (critism welcome)! :)

      The fate of Alatar and Pallando is uncertain, but I remember reading a Tolkien book saying that Tolkien feared that they had either died attempting to stop Sauron or had joined up with him.

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    • REEEEEEE!

      Tolkien stated in black in white in one of his essays that their work was vital to the triumph of the west.

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    • High Prince Imrahil wrote:

      MrHobit1234 wrote:
      Uhh, Tolkien said the Blue Wizards were vital in the War of the Ring because of their Free Easterlings.

      .... citation? 

      It's true. I can't remember what letter though.

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    • Afaik Tolkien never said anything definite about them, only speculations: "I fear that...", "They are probably ...". In these speculations he also mentioned a cult the wizards might have formed. It's also unclear wether this is a cult for Sauron, or a cult for themselves or the Valar against Sauron.

      Sinthorion daedric
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    • Usually, Tolkien's final word is taken as the canon. He said, in the end, 

      "Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West."

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 00:29, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

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    • It is said that only Gandalf actually succeeded in his quest, right? I mean, God knows what the Ithryn Luin's fate was, Saruman was slain by Gríma Wormtongue after turning to Sauron's side, and Radagast just sort of walked off into Rhosghobel and stayed there. Gandalf, however, assisted Frodo, and his well-thought-out guesswork ended up helping Frodo destroy the One Ring and thus kill Sauron, which was the original job of the Istari.

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    • The Istari were meant to help the free peoples of middle earth, against Sauron, but they were told never to actually lead armies or fight against Sauron. Just convince them to fight.

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    • They were still better than Gandalf in my opinion

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      Usually, Tolkien's final word is taken as the canon. He said, in the end, 

      "Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West."

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 00:29, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

      Yeah, "they must have had", only an assumption or strong suggestion, but nothing clear and definite. I support the theory, because I like it best, but we can't outrule other theories either.

      Sinthorion daedric
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    • That's just Tolkien's writing style. He does that quite a bit at different times, using indefinite phrases to show definite ones. In any case, it clearly replaced the other notions about Alatar and Pallando.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 10:50, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Ithilion is right.

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    • ^^ exactly thank you Ithilion and Ogre

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      That's just Tolkien's writing style. He does that quite a bit at different times, using indefinite phrases to show definite ones. In any case, it clearly replaced the other notions about Alatar and Pallando.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 10:50, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

      Yes, it's his style. He always talks as a narrator who experienced the event (or heard about it from someone else), instead of an omniscient being. That doesn't mean it's definite.

      Sinthorion daedric
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    • Be as that may, such lines are usually taken to be definite, barring some other reason.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 16:44, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Yes but hobbit in earlier skectches blue wizards turned bad later he changed it.

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