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  • AlteOgre
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    03:25, June 21, 2017

    Y,know how the dwarves lived in Dunland after Smaug rekt the dwarves in Erebor? Ya me too, thats why it doesnt make sence there isn't any dwarven stuff in Dunland? Yea i totally agree, this is why i proposed that there be dwarven ruins in Dunland, ruined dwarven mines, and dwarven towers (we all know what they contain). The dwarves didn't stay there too long through so i dont think ruins will have a large spawn rate, they shouldn't even have that much of spawn rate. BUT, there also should be Gundabad taken towers of those ruins. If anything there should be ruined Dunlending occupied towers that only spawns in Dunland. This makes sence to you all right? I hopes so D:

    Lord Agèos

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    • We speaks to ourselves a lot, doesn't we precious?

      I hope you realize that my signature wasn't aimed at you. Whoever reads it sees their name in it.

      Also, do you have a quote?  Do we know how many dwarves were in dunland?

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    • S'moregoth wrote:
      We speaks to ourselves a lot, doesn't we precious?

      I hope you realize that my signature wasn't aimed at you. Whoever reads it sees their name in it.

      Also, do you have a quote?  Do we know how many dwarves were in dunland?

      There were probably alot since so many dwarves lived there, after all it was a huge kingdom. And I had a quote but i lost the book i had it in o-o

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    • Mod confirms this. Dunland and dwarves are friends in mod.

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    • I don't think that Dwarven Ruins should exist in Dunland, since those take very long to create. If anything, there should be abandoned dwarven shacks or rarely Dwarves spawning in Dunlending Taverns- 'revisiting'

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    • S'moregoth wrote:
      We speaks to ourselves a lot, doesn't we precious?

      I hope you realize that my signature wasn't aimed at you. Whoever reads it sees their name in it.

      Also, do you have a quote?  Do we know how many dwarves were in dunland?

      I don't really want to find it rn, but that's the reason Mevans made them allies, and if you can't trust Mevans...

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    • A better idea. Dwarves and Dunland should not be allies. Instead, the dwarves will have lived in the forest of Northern Dunland, where according to Tolkien no men lived.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 11:35, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      A better idea. Dwarves and Dunland should not be allies. Instead, the dwarves will have lived in the forest of Northern Dunland, where according to Tolkien no men lived.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 11:35, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      Can I ask why?

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    • A few things to note:

      -The Dunlendings were said to have left the dwarves alone and let them live in Dunland, but the dwarves still complained of "the scorn of men." So evidently, they had dealings with each other.

      -The Dwarves in Dunland were extremely poor. They had basically nothing left and no supplies left to really build anything. The best they could do were poor hovels built into hills.

      Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 12:28, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

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    • no... that did not make much sense... you want ruined dunlanding towers in dunland occupied by dunlandings to show the presence of dwarves?

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    • Minecraftmage113 wrote:
      no... that did not make much sense... you want ruined dunlanding towers in dunland occupied by dunlandings to show the presence of dwarves?

      I edited it

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    • Lord Agèos wrote:
      Minecraftmage113 wrote:
      no... that did not make much sense... you want ruined dunlanding towers in dunland occupied by dunlandings to show the presence of dwarves?
      I edited it

      what did you change?

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    • Ruined dwarven towers in dunland though in the first place it never said ruinened dunlending towers

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    • Lord Agèos wrote:
      Ruined dwarven towers in dunland though in the first place it never said ruinened dunlending towers
      Lord Agèos wrote:

      If anything there should be ruined Dunlending occupied towers that only spawns in Dunland.

      I think that counts as ruined dunlending towers

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    • My point of that part is if they put dwarven towers there they wont be occupied by Gundabad, but dunlendings

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    • High King Ithilion wrote: A better idea. Dwarves and Dunland should not be allies. Instead, the dwarves will have lived in the forest of Northern Dunland, where according to Tolkien no men lived.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 11:35, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      But according to Mevans they do. Tbh I think we need more complicated relations not good evil axis which many like so I like that dwarves and dunlendings are friends. I don't know whats so bad about it.

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    • KHAMULofHARDA wrote:

      High King Ithilion wrote: A better idea. Dwarves and Dunland should not be allies. Instead, the dwarves will have lived in the forest of Northern Dunland, where according to Tolkien no men lived.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 11:35, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      But according to Mevans they do. Tbh I think we need more complicated relations not good evil axis which many like so I like that dwarves and dunlendings are friends. I don't know whats so bad about it.

      Agreed, in addition,it makes sense thtandat they had trade relationsship and its nice

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      A better idea. Dwarves and Dunland should not be allies. Instead, the dwarves will have lived in the forest of Northern Dunland, where according to Tolkien no men lived.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 11:35, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      Even so, this suggests that there can be structures in North Dunland, even if they were seperate from the dunlendings

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    • I don't remember that quote, Grievous...

      The purpose of moving them to North Dunland is to make the strange anomaly of the Dwarves and Dunland getting along make more sense. Rather than having them be allies, the Dwarves simply stayed out of Dunland's way, and vice-versa.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 19:09, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

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    • High King Ithilion wrote: I don't remember that quote, Grievous...

      The purpose of moving them to North Dunland is to make the strange anomaly of the Dwarves and Dunland getting along make more sense. Rather than having them be allies, the Dwarves simply stayed out of Dunland's way, and vice-versa.

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 19:09, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      "'Not at my age,' said Thror. 'Our vengeance on Smaug I bequeath to you and your sons. But I am tired of poverty and the scorn of men.'" -Appendix A, part 3

      Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 19:25, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Not necesarily Dunland. Esgaroth, Rohan, Bree, ect could all scorn them as well. Furthermore, if they were on friendly terms, why would Gimli not say anything, and then kill them at Helm's Deep?

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 19:31, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

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    • High King Ithilion wrote:
      Not necesarily Dunland. Esgaroth, Rohan, Bree, ect could all scorn them as well. Furthermore, if they were on friendly terms, why would Gimli not say anything, and then kill them at Helm's Deep?

      IthilionHeraldry Ithilion, Discussions Moderator(Auta i lómë) 19:31, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

      Maybe he didn't recognise them, or he thought: They want to kill us, so let's defend myself?

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    • I'm afraid that at the time before the War of the Rings, there are no dwarves in Dunland anymore. "So Thráin and Thorin with what remained of their following (among whom were Balin and Glóin) returned to Dunland, and soon afterwards they removed and wandered in Eriador, until at last they made a home in exile in the east of the Ered Luin beyond the Lune." (The Return of the King, Appendix A)


      On Dwarven stuff, they stayed in Dunland when they lost everything and extremely poor, I doubt they left anything noticeable (they didn't even have such things...): "Of iron were most of the things that they forged in those days," (Appendix A) Dunlending chests give enough iron equipment now.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:
      I'm afraid that at the time before the War of the Rings, there are no dwarves in Dunland anymore. "So Thráin and Thorin with what remained of their following (among whom were Balin and Glóin) returned to Dunland, and soon afterwards they removed and wandered in Eriador, until at last they made a home in exile in the east of the Ered Luin beyond the Lune." (The Return of the King, Appendix A)

      On Dwarven stuff, they stayed in Dunland when they lost everything and extremely poor, I doubt they left anything noticeable (they didn't even have such things...): "Of iron were most of the things that they forged in those days," (Appendix A) Dunlending chests give enough iron equipment now.

      Even so, they still had to build atleast huts or houses dug into hills. A tempoary living space until they went to Ered Luin. And its still possible the dwarves escaped with SOME materials, not alot though. Besides they could have picked up other things during their travels.

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    • I feel dwarves would have just lived in Dunland houses, it was intended to be a temporary stay from the start, so maybe Dwarves themselves occasionally spawn in dunland, or Dwarven swords (gifted to Dunland), but that should probably be about it. 

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    • Zombielizard wrote:
      I feel dwarves would have just lived in Dunland houses, it was intended to be a temporary stay from the start, so maybe Dwarves themselves occasionally spawn in dunland, or Dwarven swords (gifted to Dunland), but that should probably be about it. 

      The dwarves lived sperate from the dunlendings in North Dunland where dunlendings didn't live so there would probably be some tempoary shack like ruins there. And no, dwarves wouldnt spawn there because they all traveled to the Blue Mountains after they lived in dunland. Remember this is all taking place before the hobbit.

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    • Temporary shacks tend to not be of the sort that leaves lasting ruins.

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    • Recneps wrote:
      Temporary shacks tend to not be of the sort that leaves lasting ruins.

      They still could have dwarven loot they they took with them from erebor. They could also make a new structure, a Dwarven Tomb. It could also have dwarven loot and spawn in Dunland, Misty Mountains Grey Mountains and Possibly Erebor?

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    • I think there should be just a few make-shift houses for dwarves, but all broken and decayed. Because, it was a large army, but most of their troops tried to defend, making it so in the towns, they have few guards, so it would be better for just a group of 2-6 houses, 1-2 watchtowers, with 1 old mine.

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    • Ageos, why would the Dwarves leave behind any of their possessions when they move on? Dwarves' main characteristic was greed.. When they were forced to run, they didn't take everything, which is why some Dwarven ruins would have loot.. Except they were not forced to run from Dunland.

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    • Yes, but they couldn't take the houses, or towers. And maybe a dwarf soldier died after setting up his house, and no one took his belongings. If I didn't know my neighbor was dead, I wouldn't go grab his stuff. And they might have left some coal in the furnace, or left their beds an tables, or even plates. Item they couldn't bring with them they would leave

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    • As others have said, I doubt they established much while they were there..

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    • They wouldn't, but would they live in tents? No.

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    • Lord Agèos wrote:
      Zombielizard wrote:
      I feel dwarves would have just lived in Dunland houses, it was intended to be a temporary stay from the start, so maybe Dwarves themselves occasionally spawn in dunland, or Dwarven swords (gifted to Dunland), but that should probably be about it. 
      The dwarves lived sperate from the dunlendings in North Dunland where dunlendings didn't live so there would probably be some tempoary shack like ruins there. And no, dwarves wouldnt spawn there because they all traveled to the Blue Mountains after they lived in dunland. Remember this is all taking place before the hobbit.

      I am more than aware, them very rarely spawning is representative of visiting, maybe of a friend they made (not sure if any dunlendings from the time the Dwarves were there would still be alive though, the Dwarves yes [they live on average 200 yrs] but Dunlendings probably live like 60/70)

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    • Dunlendings live in a harsh climate with poor food, I'd say that 55 would be a ripe old age for them. After all, do you ever see any grey-haired Dunlendings?

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    • I suppose so. 

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    • But, to answer your question, maybe one very old Dunlending would remember the Dwarves, because any Dunlending would definitely remember the Dwarves, no matter how young they would have been.

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