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  • As we know, Hobbits live in Bree-land, too. The Bree-hobbits mainly interact with Bree-men. [1] The Shire-hobbits don't concern about the Bree-hobbits. [2] Interactions between the Bree-hobbits and the Shire-hobbits are fewer and fewer. [3] The Shire-hobbits even called the Bree-hobbits as Outsiders[4], "and took very little interest in them, considering them dull and uncouth."[5]

    Therefore, I suggest renaming:

    • Pipeweed to Pipe-weed;
    • Dark Huorn to Black Huorn[6];
    • Hobbit Crafting Table to Shire Crafting Table
    • Banner of the Hobbits to Banner of the Shire;
    • Hobbit Crafting to Shire Crafting
    • Title Hobbit to Shire-hobbit, and add a multi-title like Elf and Orc;
    • Hobbit entity to Shire-hobbit;
    • Hobbit Bartender to Shire-bartender (Shire-buildings[7] and Shire-historians[8] are mentioned in the book);
    • Hobbit Shirriff to Shirriff (Shirriff is a name for Shire-reeve, so no need for any prefix);
    • Hobbit Shirriff Chief to Shirriff-leader[9];
    • Hobbit Orcharder to Shire-orcharder;
    • Hobbit Farmer to Shire-farmer;
    • Hobbit Farmhand to Shire-farmhand;
    • Mounted Hobbit Shirriff to Mounted Shirriff;
    • Hobbits faction to The Shire;
    • Hobbits faction entity to Shire-hobbit;
    • Hobbit Hole to Shire Hobbit-hole;
    • Hobbit Tavern to Shire-tavern;
    • Hobbit Picnic Bench to Shire Picnic Bench;
    • Hobbit Windmill to Shire-windmill;
    • Hobbit Farm to Shire-farm;
    • Hobbit Slayer to Shire-hobbit Slayer, and adding a General achievement for Hobbit Slayer;
    • Hobbit Friend to Shire-friend;
    • Hobbit Champion to Shire-champion;
    • Hobbit Hero to Shire-hero;
    • Hobbit mini-quest to Shire mini-quest;
    • Hobbit Crafter to Shire-crafer.

    Something relevant:

    • Kingdom of the Northmen to Kingdom of the Bardings (Rohan is also a "Kingdom of the Northmen").
    • and of the Wild Men to Dunlendish country (the capitalized Wild Men are referred to Drúedain, and Dunlending used on the people of Dunland only[10]. Maybe we should rename every adjective Dunlending to Dunlendish);

    I think the Bree-men and the Bree-hobbits would be one fation named the Bree-land like Dorwinion in the future.[11] They will use Bree-land Crafting Table, and it will be able to craft Hobbit Ovens and other stuffs.

    Thank you for your reading.

    References

    1. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C" "Family Trees (Hobbits)": "The Bree-folk, Big and Little, did not themselves travel much; and the affairs of the four villages were their chief concern."
    2. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C", "Family Trees (Hobbits)": "Occasionally the Hobbits of Bree went as far as Buckland, or the Eastfarthing; but though their little land was not much further than a day’s riding east of the Brandywine Bridge, the Hobbits of the Shire now seldom visited it."
    3. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C", "Family Trees (Hobbits)": "An occasional Bucklander or adventurous Took would come out to the Inn for a night or two, but even that was becoming less and less usual."
    4. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C", "Family Trees (Hobbits)": "The Shire-hobbits referred to those of Bree, and to any others that lived beyond the borders, as Outsiders[.]"
    5. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C", "Family Trees (Hobbits)"
    6. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Two Tower, "The Voice of Saruman"
    7. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Scouring of the Shire"
    8. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Scouring of the Shire"
    9. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Scouring of the Shire"
    10. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix A", "Annals of the Kings and Rulers"
    11. J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, "Appendix C", "Family Trees (Hobbits)": "But in the Bree-land, at any rate, the hobbits were decent and prosperous, and no more rustic than most of their distant relatives Inside."
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    • Some of these I agree to, but some just sound a bit silly.

      TurammarthHeraldry-0 Aranwë Tûrammarth Utúlie'n aurë!

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    • Rayn Turammarth wrote: Some of these I agree to, but some just sound a bit silly.

      TurammarthHeraldry-0 Aranwë Tûrammarth Utúlie'n aurë!

      Which one is silly? I am willing to change it. XD

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      Rayn Turammarth wrote: Some of these I agree to, but some just sound a bit silly.

      TurammarthHeraldry-0 Aranwë Tûrammarth Utúlie'n aurë!

      Which one is silly? I am willing to change it. XD

      Oh, not silly in that way, silly as in it doesn't sound right. 

      The ones I was thinking of were:

      • Kingdom of the Northmen - I think it is fine how it is now. Rohan isn't in the North, so don't I think it should be hard to get confused.
      • [L]and of the Wild Men - Gamling refers to the Dunlendings as 'Wild Men' during the battle of Helm's Deep.
      'And neither will the wild men of the hills [...]'

      –Gamling, in The Two Towers, Helm's Deep

      • And all of the name changes regarding structure names, i.e. Hobbit Windmill to Shire-Windmill.
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    • Shirriff should be renamed to bounders, while we're on the topic. There were only twelve (I believe) Shirrifs until Saruman came around, but it's stated that there were a bunch of bounders who basically did the same thing. So Bounders and Bounder-Chiefs works better, IMO.

      Gen. Grievous1138 (LOTR Mod Wiki Admin) comlink 09:55, October 6, 2016 (UTC)

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    • I agree with all of your proposals Wargaz and iam ready to fix that in the german language too (if my translation partners agree)

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    • Rayn Turammarth wrote:

      Wargaz cc wrote:

      Rayn Turammarth wrote: Some of these I agree to, but some just sound a bit silly.

      TurammarthHeraldry-0 Aranwë Tûrammarth Utúlie'n aurë!

      Which one is silly? I am willing to change it. XD

      Oh, not silly in that way, silly as in it doesn't sound right. 

      The ones I was thinking of were:

      • Kingdom of the Northmen - I think it is fine how it is now. Rohan isn't in the North, so don't I think it should be hard to get confused.
      • [L]and of the Wild Men - Gamling refers to the Dunlendings as 'Wild Men' during the battle of Helm's Deep.
      'And neither will the wild men of the hills [...]'

      –Gamling, in The Two Towers, Helm's Deep

      • And all of the name changes regarding structure names, i.e. Hobbit Windmill to Shire-Windmill.
      • Rohan isn't in the North, but Rohirrim are still Northmen.
      • I said the capitalized Wild Men are referred to Drúedain. Do you think your quote is the capitalized Wild Men?
      • That is a common usage of Hobbits. TBH, it's silly for a Hobbit to call his windmill as Hobbit Windmill. "You’re arrested for Gate-breaking, and Tearing up of Rules, and Assaulting Gate-keepers, and Trespassing, and Sleeping in Shire-buildings without Leave, and Bribing Guards with Food." (The Return of the King, "The Scouring of the Shire")
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    • Fair enough. I support your suggestion

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    • Gorbag12 wrote: I agree with all of your proposals Wargaz and iam ready to fix that in the german language too (if my translation partners agree)

      Thanks! Your support is warm-hearted.

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    • Wargaz cc wrote:

      Gorbag12 wrote: I agree with all of your proposals Wargaz and iam ready to fix that in the german language too (if my translation partners agree)

      Thanks! Your support is warm-hearted.

      No problem :) i also always though its goofy calling a faction “hobbits“ it would be the same if rohan would have the name “rohirrim“

      Same with the high elves faction btw. It shoukd be simple called Lindon :)

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    • What about Rivendell as it will be a sub-faction of it.

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    • MrHobit1234 wrote: What about Rivendell as it will be a sub-faction of it.

      I believe it would make more sence if rivendell is a own faction. However, if they would be a subfaction, it will have a (alot) smaller area and diversity* than the big lindon.

      • if lindon is done in its status (when laiquendi, grey elves and mithlond elves subfactions are added)
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    • but the shire hobbits were mainly referred to as hobbits, only the bree-hobbits really had the classification thing on it, then again there wasnt much talk with the bree-hobbits

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    • Minecraftmage113 wrote: but the shire hobbits were mainly referred to as hobbits, only the bree-hobbits really had the classification thing on it, then again there wasnt much talk with the bree-hobbits

      However, Tolkien did use Shire-hobbits to distinguish.

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    • Eh... this suggestion seems incredibly... petty. Just because they say "Shire-buildings" doesn't mean that you have to rename every building with the prefix "Shire". That's like naming all the Gondor stuff to "Gondorian" or something like that. It really doesn't matter.

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    • Eoros wrote: Eh... this suggestion seems incredibly... petty. Just because they say "Shire-buildings" doesn't mean that you have to rename every building with the prefix "Shire". That's like naming all the Gondor stuff to "Gondorian" or something like that. It really doesn't matter.

      You can say whatever you want, though your analogy is really wrong. The Shire and Gondor are nouns and toponyms, but Gondorian is an adjective or noun, and Hobbit and Gondorian are both names of race. It is a petty thing, and it is easy to do with replace function built in the text editors.

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    • Yay, the thread is endorsed! Now, hoppefully it will be renamed

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    • I don't agree with "Kingdom of the Bardings" since geographically "Northmen" just sounds alot more fitting into Dale, and Dunlendish countries? Well, don't forget that the people from Bree are "Dunlendish". And Dunlendings should stay wild men of Dunland as they were mentioned that way. Also not Hobbit Shirrif Leader, since Chief sounds a bit more approperiate for Hobbit, or I should say, Shire, terms. For the rest I fully agree, sounds nice!

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    • yes, it is petty, but as has been said many times, "the small things are what count" in otherwords the big things are what make something good, the small things are what make it great

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      10:41, August 17, 2018
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